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Big Debates (FR) ch g 2013Track Horse
Track Horse
Big Debates (FR) ch g 2013
Last Win
Limerick Fri, 27th Dec, 24 7/2, J Smith
(4 days)
Last Run
Limerick Fri, 27th Dec, 24
1st, 7/2, J Smith
(4 days)
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Runs
Wins
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Win %
Earnings
Level Stk
Flat IRE
1
0
1
0%
€20
-1.00
Hurdle IRE
19
2
1
11%
€18,420
-8.50
Chase IRE
18
4
5
22%
€55,980
4.00
PtoP
2
0
2
Under Rules Total
38
6
7
16%
-5.50
Form Figures
2-2-6-950F083-511221-62P11-6F350002F-5P52008041
Form Timeline
Form Figures - 2-2-6-950F083-511221-62P11-6F350002F-5P52008041
Date Course Conditions
Race Result
Jockey
Class
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MorningSP
05Dec20 Nav 20f Soft 4y+ S(12K)
12-0[200/1]8th of 12, 49.53L behind Conflated
P T Enright
125/1200/1
Change of Trainer Robert Tyner
Handler Robert Tyner
Aug 2016
August National Hunt Sale (Tattersalls (Ireland))
Leighmoney Stables
Purchaser: Vendor
€3,500
Lots Sold: 365
Prices
Avg: €8,291
Median: €5,000
Maximum: €75,000
Dec 2013
Breeding Stock Sale, Deauville (Arqana)
Chateau De Rabodanges
Purchaser: MURPHY Seamus
€13,000
Lots Sold: 695
Prices
Avg: €39,291
Median: €13,000
Maximum: €800,000
Symbols Explained
ts2 Tongue Strap vs2 Visor hd2 Hood es2 Eye Shield ec2 Eye Cover cp2 Cheekpiece bl2 Blinkers tt2 Tongue Tie bf Beaten Favourite on Last Run srMentioned in Stewards Report in Results bbvBroke Blood Vessel
The superscript number on headgear bl2 indicates number of times worn. A plus bl+ indicates more than 10 times where as red background bl1indicates first time.
Date Course
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Race
Jockey Weight
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Class
Date
Sale
Consignor
Purchaser
Price
Aug 2016
August National Hunt Sale (Tattersalls (Ireland))
Leighmoney Stables
Purchaser: Vendor
€3,500
Lots Sold: 365
Prices
Avg: €8,291
Median: €5,000
Maximum: €75,000
Dec 2013
Breeding Stock Sale, Deauville (Arqana)
Chateau De Rabodanges
Purchaser: MURPHY Seamus
€13,000
Lots Sold: 695
Prices
Avg: €39,291
Median: €13,000
Maximum: €800,000
Reports in which Big Debates (FR) was mentioned
No Debates about Kelleher and Tyner horse's dominance in Limerick veterans
Big Debates bolted up in the Tim & Martin Molony Veterans Handicap Chase at Limerick in the hands of James Smith for trainer Robert Tyner. Fri 27th Dec
Union Park gets up late under well judged Flanagan ride
Sean Flanagan rode an excellent waiting race when producing bottom weight Union Park from off the pace to land the Cork Welcomes Racing TV Members Handicap Hurdle at the Mallow track. Sun 26th Nov
Charlie rolls back the years in Wexford feature
Charlie Stout recorded his first win in over three years, as he landed the feature at Wexford, the Arctic Tack Stud Veterans Handicap Chase. Fri 31st Mar
Big Debates continues Tyner's good run of form
Big Debates (11/2) built on last month's reappearance win at Cork when landing the two-mile handicap chase in the hands of Phillip Enright. Wed 21st Dec
Big Debates lands the lucky last for Tyner and Enright
Big Debates stayed on best of all to give Robert Tyner and Philip Enright a popular success in the concluding Kevin McManus Bookmaker Handicap Chase at Cork. Sun 20th Nov
Fourth win for Fenton's Stand Off
Stand Off bagged a fourth career success today, landing Down Royal's Bluegrass Horse Feeds Rated Novice Chase for trainer Philip Fenton, jockey Luke Dempsey and in the colours of breeder John Power. Thu 17th Mar
Tyner records 72/1 treble as Womalko wins the finale
Robert Tyner was certainly happy Limerick got the go ahead following an early morning inspection as the Kinsale trainer saddled a 72/1 treble completed by Womalko in the concluding Party Time Handicap Hurdle. Wed 29th Dec
Big Debates completes a double for Foley
Big Debates has proved a grand servant to connections this year and recorded his third handicap win in the Greenmount Equine Hospital Rated Novice Hurdle to complete a 25/1 double on the afternoon for rider Jack Foley at Limerick. Wed 29th Dec
Supreme back to winning ways
Hilltop Supreme soared clear over the last to run out an impressive winner of the concluding novice handicap chase at Clonmel this afternoon. Thu 02nd Dec
Consecutive wins for Wa Wa
Wa Wa gained consecutive monthly wins for Irish Grand National winning trainer Dermot McLoughlin at Naas today, defying top weight to land the Cavan Developments Novice Handicap Chase. Sat 06th Nov
Big Debates another for in-form Jack Foley
There was plenty of incident in the Follow Limerick Racecourse On Instagram Handicap Chase but Big Debates (4/1) put in a solid round of jumping to give in-form claimer Jack Foley another winner. Sun 10th Oct
Big Debates and Enright score for Tyner
Robert Tyner's Big Debates won an argument with Rare Conor at the end of two miles and six furlongs in Ballinrobe. Mon 24th May
Shore completes a good day for Fenton
Atlantic Shore ran out a comfortable winner of what was an incident-packed Irish Stallion Farms EBF Beginners Chase. Sun 25th Oct
After race at Limerick Fri, 27th Dec, 2024 (1st) 
He enjoyed himself there today. I was worried about the pace that he may end up in front, but the two JP horses went on in front which was lovely for us,. He ran a peculiar race in the Cork National the last day. They must have gone a steady gallop as he got caught for toe turning in and then he sprinted after the last. It was nice and smooth today and he jumped lovely. The original plan was to go for a three-mile handicap hurdle here but the entry was small and we switched him to this. Anna McGuinness usually rides him but she’s riding in the Paddy Power for Willie and Ken Whelan recommended this lad to ride him. His chase mark will be a bit high after this and we might go for a three-mile handicap hurdle the next day.
Robert Tyner
He enjoyed himself there today. I was worried about the pace that he may end up in front, but the two JP horses went on in front which was lovely for us,. He ran a peculiar race in the Cork National the last day. They must have gone a steady gallop as he got caught for toe turning in and then he sprinted after the last. It was nice and smooth today and he jumped lovely. The original plan was to go for a three-mile handicap hurdle here but the entry was small and we switched him to this. Anna McGuinness usually rides him but she’s riding in the Paddy Power for Willie and Ken Whelan recommended this lad to ride him. His chase mark will be a bit high after this and we might go for a three-mile handicap hurdle the next day.
Robert Tyner
After race at Fairyhouse Wed, 21st Dec, 2022 (1st)
I'd say he just handled the ground better than the others, it was very gluey out there. It was music to my ears when I heard it was a bit sticky as I thought it would really suit him. He'll probably go over hurdles, he probably looked more impressive there than he was because of the ground. I'd say we'd be on the edge now with chasing and we'll probably look at a hurdle race somewhere for him.
Robert Tyner
I'd say he just handled the ground better than the others, it was very gluey out there. It was music to my ears when I heard it was a bit sticky as I thought it would really suit him. He'll probably go over hurdles, he probably looked more impressive there than he was because of the ground. I'd say we'd be on the edge now with chasing and we'll probably look at a hurdle race somewhere for him.
Robert Tyner
After race at Cork Sun, 20th Nov, 2022 (1st)
when we announced last year that we were packing up training, I offered him to a lot of trainers in England but no one wanted him - I don't know why, maybe it was his age but I told them he'd win nice races, even over hurdles. Philip gave him a great ride no doubt, I wasn't convinced he was doing the right thing up the back straight but he left him at it. He had a long season last year and was going a long time before pulling up on goodish ground at Fairyhouse (in April). Philip thinks he should stick to 2m to 2m4f. we are keeping going with 10 or 12 horses and some of them are point to pointers. There were a few not sold and I said I'd keep going with a few ourselves. You wouldn't know how long we'd stay going but it will be with small numbers, only what we can do ourselves.
Robert Tyner
when we announced last year that we were packing up training, I offered him to a lot of trainers in England but no one wanted him - I don't know why, maybe it was his age but I told them he'd win nice races, even over hurdles. Philip gave him a great ride no doubt, I wasn't convinced he was doing the right thing up the back straight but he left him at it. He had a long season last year and was going a long time before pulling up on goodish ground at Fairyhouse (in April). Philip thinks he should stick to 2m to 2m4f. we are keeping going with 10 or 12 horses and some of them are point to pointers. There were a few not sold and I said I'd keep going with a few ourselves. You wouldn't know how long we'd stay going but it will be with small numbers, only what we can do ourselves.
Robert Tyner
After race at Limerick Wed, 29th Dec, 2021 (1st)
It looked competitive on paper but he did it well. They went a good gallop and he left them at it. He joined them nicely and always looked in control. He got under the last a small bit but he picked up again. He’s been consistent and he’ll probably go back over fences again. We’ll see what’s suitable for him.
Robert Tyner
It looked competitive on paper but he did it well. They went a good gallop and he left them at it. He joined them nicely and always looked in control. He got under the last a small bit but he picked up again. He’s been consistent and he’ll probably go back over fences again. We’ll see what’s suitable for him.
Robert Tyner
After race at Limerick Sun, 10th Oct, 2021 (1st)
This is great because we are just counting days with him really as he has had a lot of issues. In his point-to-points he was second twice to two Grade 1 horses (Felix Desjy and Gold Cup winner Minella Indo) but has had a lot of problems since and every day is a bonus. We are minding him, getting there and we left him off after winning at Ballinrobe (in May). We are afraid to run him on quicker ground even though he'd prefer that more than heavy - hopefully he stays right now.
Robert Tyner
This is great because we are just counting days with him really as he has had a lot of issues. In his point-to-points he was second twice to two Grade 1 horses (Felix Desjy and Gold Cup winner Minella Indo) but has had a lot of problems since and every day is a bonus. We are minding him, getting there and we left him off after winning at Ballinrobe (in May). We are afraid to run him on quicker ground even though he'd prefer that more than heavy - hopefully he stays right now.
Robert Tyner
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